The Ultimate Guide to Grounding in Midlife, with Jason Corder (Ep. 14)

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If only there was something we could do where we could be in nature,

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spend a few minutes, and not only would it maybe improve our mood,

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but it might even have some health benefits.

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Guess what? There is, or maybe I should even say there are things we can do.

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One of them is called grounding or earthing.

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So imagine if it really would make a difference for your health and your mental

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state if you could just be outside with your feet in the grass or on the sand

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for 15 minutes a day. Let's talk about it.

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If you're a beach person, and I must confess, I'm more of a mountain lake person, but I get it.

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If you're a beach person, you probably have said to someone or at least thought

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to yourself at some point, I feel so great walking on the beach.

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It's such a calming and I feel healthy and I feel happy. There's just something about it, right?

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Or maybe you've walked around on the grass with your bare feet in the summer

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and it just feels so good. And maybe it brings back memories of being a kid

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and you look up at the sky and watch the clouds.

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That's one of my favorite things to do, that's grounding.

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And there is real science behind the value of grounding.

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So my guest today, Jason Corder, is going to share with us what he knows about

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the benefits of grounding and forest bathing.

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And that is much simpler than you might think. Jason is the CEO of Digital Addiction Prevention.

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He also has been a TEDx speaker, and I will give you the link to that in the

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show notes, as well as a producer, writer, and actor.

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So I am very excited to chat with him today.

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So welcome, Jason. I'm glad to have you here.

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Thank you so much, Cheryl. It's a huge pleasure to be here. Awesome.

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All right. Well, let's dive right in.

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And I want you to tell us kind of how you came to be interested or learn about

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grounding. What's the story?

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Absolutely. Yeah. And I came to it kind of organically in a way out of my own

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life experiences for the most part.

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I think, you know, I was living outside the country for over 20 years in Africa

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and in Europe, and I only finally came back home to live in 2019.

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And when I came back from that time here, I think I came back a bit of a kind

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of a broken man, if you will, and had a lot of repairing to do on my mental and physical health.

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And in fact, you know, my first born son, who is now 26 years old,

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has always been an incredible student of nutrition and things like grounding.

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And he's always kind of telling me the newest cutting edge thing.

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So I was aware of a lot through him, but I also just started to do my own,

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had sort of go on my own journey of, of self healing, if you will,

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over the last five years.

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And it was just out of that own need for my, you know, for myself really,

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that I started to learn about things like grounding and they call forest bathing.

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And also of course, many other things like diet and et cetera,

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all the, all the tools that I've now, after five years, compiled that I now

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offer to people, you know, in terms of their mental and physical health.

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But grounding is kind of the base one, you know, and it was kind of the first one I learned about.

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It's also in some ways the easiest for people to do.

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I definitely agree how easy it is.

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And listeners, you're going to hear that when we get into talking about what

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this grounding thing even is.

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And the thing with grounding, though, is I also often find that people,

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I don't know what I'm trying, what's the right word?

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That people kind of are like, well, I can't work.

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You know, they sort of say, ah, shove it aside. Can't be true.

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Can't work. So I know there's science behind grounding.

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So tell us, first of all, tell us what grounding is and then tell us that science

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that shows that it works.

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Absolutely. Yeah. And you're totally right. And I think when I first heard about

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it, I think I thought that it was this sort of more grounding.

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I don't want to say emotional, but something in that more spiritual realm,

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like kind of like, you know, where people talk about vortexes and you're supposed

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to feel a greater energy there, but how do you measure it? Is it true?

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It's different for each person. So I think I had that, but no,

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it turns out grounding is, is just a hundred percent science backed in every

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possible way. In fact, it's quite, it's quite mainstream.

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And I mean, grounding is literally just touching. It doesn't have to be actually your feet,

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but that's how we think of it is touching any part of our body to the bare earth

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or to anything that you could have a stone deck or stone stairs on the earth.

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Those themselves are now doing the grounding for you. So anything that's essentially

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touching the earth and does conduct electricity.

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And so, yeah, I mean, the science behind it is very simple. We actually are

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electromagnetic beings. We have and conduct an electric charge and we have a

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magnet, you know, magnetism has an effect on us and vice versa.

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And within molecules, we have a negative ion and a positive ion.

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And that kind of keeps everything in balance. And when that's true,

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that's all good. But what happens is that certain couple of different major

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factors cause us to have molecules that lose an ion, and then they become what

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are called free radicals.

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And they sort of ping around the body and can cause a lot of problems, essentially.

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I'll quickly tell you that there's two major causes of that, which is...

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Our screens and i mean i'm going to lump it all together stress

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and screens and i'm going to put all that in one

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big lump because our screens kind of do drive us

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it's crazy and cause less stress but those and

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then the toxins in our environment chemicals in our food systems in our air

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and our water and all the all the toxins that we're exposed to apparently is

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one of the other major causes of these free radicals but anyway when we touch

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the earth the earth is friendly enough to just literally send,

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and again, it seems wild,

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but it's very much data-backed, science-backed, NIH.

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Oxford University, you can find it all there.

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The Earth literally is able, through magnetism, to send us now ions that go,

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these are negative ions,

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and go and attach themselves to a positive ion, thus creating a balanced molecule,

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if you will, and ending those free radicals.

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And that's just, I mean, there's a lot more to say, obviously,

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but that is the science behind it.

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You know, it's amazing because I think I know I have heard of free radicals

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and it's it's kind of there's a lot of skin care being marketed out there to

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deal with free radicals and other things like that.

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But I until I understood what grounding was, I definitely didn't even know what

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a free radical was. I knew it was bad.

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So we get that the Earth has this magnetic charge, I suppose.

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And the negative ions are good for us.

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And you explain that really well.

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So what does that do for us in terms of what we might experience in our bodies?

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Yeah. Yeah. Great question. And I'll tell you, the list of things that it does

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for us is actually wild. It's long and wonderful.

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And again, you know, don't take my word for it. You can easily find it on mainstream studies.

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It reduces, and one of the greatest things it does is it reduces inflammation

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in the body. We know that inflammation is,

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not cool. It's the cause in general.

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In general, it's almost all chronic diseases have inflammation as a cause of

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them or as a part of that negative cycle.

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So reducing inflammation in any way, including in the brain,

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by the way, while soft lowers your blood pressure, people have used it to literally

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decrease or even end their blood pressure medicine.

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Of course, it improves overall your immune system and the functioning of your

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body, lowers anxiety and stress, reduces oxidative stress. So we talk about antioxidants.

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This is the number one antioxidant that there is in terms of sort of,

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I think, time and energy per benefit, 15 minutes a day touching the earth,

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and you're having a huge antioxidant effect on the body.

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It actually, and this is something I just learned as I was doing some more research

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today, it reduces blood viscosity.

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Which is apparently, you know, it turns out, makes sense, is a really important

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part of, you know, dealing with cardiovascular diseases and even diabetes and

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circulation in general.

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So it's interesting. First of all, let me put a caveat to say,

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please don't stop or reduce your medications just because you're grounding.

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Talk to your doctor. I'm not giving medical advice, nor is Jason.

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But definitely maybe do talk to your doctor, because this is very interesting.

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Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So tell me,

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is this related to why people always kind of go on and on gushing about loving

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to be at the beach and walk on the sand? Yeah.

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Right, right. Really good question. It's definitely a big part of it.

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And yes, as you say, you know, no one ever breaks up at a beach.

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It's so it's definitely you're definitely getting a huge amount of that grounding.

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Obviously, your shoes are off and you're touching the sand and the sand is very

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much charged in that in that way with those negative ions that come in and attach

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themselves to a positive ion. There are, however, a lot of other things happening

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at the beach at the same time.

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I think that's why it feels so incredible just to be there.

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Something I learned actually when we're running on the beach,

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you know, sand is like it's tiny particles of crystal and stone, right?

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Very much a charge in there. When we're running, we're actually creating a tiny

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electric current every time our bones smash down on those tiny like crystals.

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And that tiny charge is it literally is

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like giving us a little burst of energy with everyone and doing

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its its grounding as if you will getting rid of the free radicals i

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think there's a lot of two other elements as well the water itself i know first

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of all the water itself has grounding effects right the water i mean what i

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believe that water i haven't researched this enough so i'm just going to say

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that this is a personal hunch and i haven't backed up yet by research but I'm sure it's true.

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That feeling of water on your body just feels so incredible no matter where it is.

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I think water does have that same charge, but ocean water does.

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And of course, ocean water has all those incredible minerals.

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And we're getting like magnesium and so many things that make our skin feel

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good and are getting into our body.

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And finally, last but not least, and this is one of the things I talk about

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when I'm talking about all the tools I like to give people, is sunlight.

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We're getting that sunlight too. Not just directly, it's refracting off the water.

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And again, one of the things that I think a lot of people are waking up to these

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days is the sun is our friend.

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It's not something to be feared, not even in the slightest. Now,

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can you hurt your body if you don't have a lot of melanin and you lie out in the sun all day?

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Of course. But too much of anything is bad.

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But in general, the sun is an incredible source of not just things like vitamin

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D, which we now know is how important that is to us, you know,

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post-COVID and everything.

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But the sun is also the greatest source of testosterone, which is something

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that I only learned in the last year. An incredible source for all of us.

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All of us have testosterone, just men have a lot more than women.

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So there's a lot of extra health benefits from that sunlight as well.

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So that's part of it, too.

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Well, I definitely am on the vitamin D train. Vitamin D, however it is you're

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getting it, is super crazy, powerful, important listeners. Vitamin D.

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But let me also personalize this just for a second because I do enjoy going

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to the beach occasionally. And I absolutely love what you're saying.

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And at the same time, I'm not really what you would call a beach person.

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Then I'd rather be at like the mountain lake.

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Does that have the same effect? Are we talking about any water that is natural

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like that or is it really just ocean?

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Well, I think I would say, yes, it is the same effect.

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And yes, I think it is just as healing and offers just as much sort of grounding

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and everything we talked about.

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I guess the only difference you could point to is the minerals in the ocean.

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But you know what? In a mountain lake, there's definitely going to be minerals as well.

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I mean, you think about the hundreds of thousands of years of interaction with

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that lake and the mountains around it.

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Okay, well, that gives me hope for my mountain lakes. But I talk a lot,

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actually, about how powerful it is to go out for a walk, to give yourself a

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break, to be in nature, all of that.

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So you mentioned to me before when we were talking, forest bathing,

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and I think that's definitely related.

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So tell us what that is. Yes, absolutely.

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That's a great question. And this is something, again, that I was shocked to learn this one.

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And this was something I only learned, again, I would say quite recently in the last year.

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And again, there's studies from the most mainstream, even on this.

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So forest bathing is kind of its own thing. And the idea here is,

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or not the idea, that the fact is that all plants and trees actually put off airborne chemicals.

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They do this as a defense mechanism, right? They have a lot of defense mechanisms,

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actually, that we could, that's something else we could talk about in terms

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of diet. But let me leave that aside.

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But this is one of their defense mechanisms are airborne chemicals.

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Well, guess what? But when we inhale those chemicals, the good news is they

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actually go into our body and they kill tumors and they kill cancers.

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They literally go around. They call it what do they call them?

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Super. It's weird. The funny terminology, they call them like super killers,

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but they're killing bad things. So it's good news. And I just find that to be shocking.

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So not only are you getting the grounding if you're in a forest,

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if your shoes are off, but even if your shoes are on, you're getting that essentially

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anti-cancer, anti-growth effect.

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There's one other thing I will also mention, Cheryl, in that forest bathing

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experience, again, separate from the grounding, is there's a lot,

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a lot of new research into the effect of sound on healing the body in certain frequencies.

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And one of the things I discovered is bird song.

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Just the sound of birds chirping in a forest puts our nervous system at ease.

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And it has a whole host of effects on our mental health.

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I've now even just recently heard something about the fact that the frequency

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that you hear when birds, that bird song of the morning is a certain frequency

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that helps energize us a bit. It's amazing.

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And the forest bathing idea, when you first said it, I thought,

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huh, I'm picturing that I have to do something weird in the forest,

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you know, to get the benefit. Like, what is that?

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It's sort of a strange term. But you're saying we're just absorbing this by

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breathing through our skin?

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That's just inhaling it, literally.

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Amazing. I think this is what's going to be really exciting is we're going to

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see a huge amount of research around these kinds of questions.

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We have the tools to end chronic disease, heal ourselves. They're all available

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and they're almost all free.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I do find this fascinating along the lines of what you're saying,

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because we know and we're talking about it more and more and more that our nervous

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system needs to be calmed in order for us to really function and in order for us to think straight.

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And in order for us to pretty much do anything, but yet we're spending a lot

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of our time nowadays in basically the opposite state where our nervous system is riled up.

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And so what you're describing for listeners, if this is totally new to you,

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I'm kind of like pulling it all together. Maybe we'll see.

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What you're describing is kind of going back out into nature,

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like maybe people 100 or 200 or however many years ago did without even realizing

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why or what the benefits were.

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Is that fair? No, you're 100% right.

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And I think it feels like that's happening for people around the world is this

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kind of return to nature.

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Now, obviously, there's parts of the world where people are still living close

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to nature and they're trying as hard as they can to reach some kind of modernity or more model.

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But generally speaking, or at least let's just say in our own country,

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our own sort of culture, yeah, I think there's an appreciation for the natural,

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especially as more and more as humans.

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Whether we like it or not, we are more and more seem to be intertwining ourselves

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with machines and sort of moving in that direction, for good or for bad.

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Whether we like it or not, a lot of us don't like it.

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Not only is returning to nature good for us in a general way,

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it's literally good for our mental and physical health.

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And in fact, without that, we're getting sicker and sicker and sicker.

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As much as we feel as though we have greater and greater modern conveniences.

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We're not happy because we're addicted to our screens.

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We don't feel good because we're eating a food system that has been poisoned and corrupted.

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So I think you're 100% right. And the more that people learn about the really

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serious benefits of spending time out in nature and knowing that it's real,

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it's not just woo woo I feel better it's actually

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if you wanted to have the science behind it it's right

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there so you're right you're right on on that I love that kind of as a concept

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and so now we're saying look at these benefits that you can have by going out

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for 15 minutes with your bare feet or going for a walk in the woods and and

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that's something we can all do although what if it's winter.

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There are some things out nowadays that say that they can allow us to ground

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without having to go outside.

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So what do you think about those types of things, a grounding mat, a grounding.

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Bed something or other. Yeah. Right.

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Exactly. Now you can be sleeping on one. And by the way, just so people know,

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each of those items you're talking about, you're something you sit on and you

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sleep on or whatever, you have to plug them in, but you're not plugging them

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in to receive electricity.

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You're plugging them in for them literally to be grounded.

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So just FYI, you don't have to worry about that part of it.

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Oh, I don't want to sleep with a blanket on me that's plugged into the

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wall again it's not receiving an electric current

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it's just being grounded it's just receiving a

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i guess you could say the current directly from the earth

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but it's not an electric current so i think those items items are great as a

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not quite a plan b but a winter a winter plan as you say i think that there's

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a lot of the elements that you

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don't get of course when you're inside and you're just using one of those,

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obviously you're not getting, you know, the forest bathing and you're not getting

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the bird song or, you know, but again, if it's, if you're in four feet of snow,

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you're not going to get much of that anyway.

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I think they're great. And yes, you're going to get those ions.

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You're going to get those free radicals being taken care of.

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So you're going to get all of the effects of the benefits of grounding.

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And if that's the best you can do in, you know, in the winter,

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it's definitely is the best you can do. One thing I can.

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And this is funny and ironic. I just wanted to say that you could add to your

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grounding routine, your winter grounding routine. You could add some audio of birdsong.

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You could spend some time. I love to go on YouTube and I search like,

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I don't know if people know this term ASMR, but it basically means like sort

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of sound. It's trying to recreate normal sense.

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ASMR, you know, forest with a crackling fire or things like that.

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Now, the irony, of course, is that, and I'm a proponent of people getting off

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of their screens, you might say, oh, well, you're using your screen to do, how is that?

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And I get it, but our screens are a tool. They are a tool.

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There's nothing wrong with using them as a tool. The problem is when we become

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addicted to them and they start using us as a tool.

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You feel like a tool. But I think there's some things we can do in the winter

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to enhance those moments, but the actual benefits of those grounding devices, you know, it's great.

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I very much appreciate you saying all of that. And it's a little mind-boggling

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to me, the benefits of sound.

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And at the same time, I absolutely could see that being out in nature has benefits in all of our senses.

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So it does make sense. and listeners, I just also want to add in something.

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And I learned this when I was like a teenager, maybe, maybe 20 something,

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but I never knew that houses were actually grounded to the earth.

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And I don't know if people realize that. And so that's how these are working,

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right? And that's what you said.

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You're plugging into the ground. Yeah. For sure.

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For sure. A hundred percent. Absolutely. Any part of a house that is,

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has direct contact with the earth and there isn't some other material in the

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way blocking it, then every part of that house is gonna be grounded.

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So anybody who has a stone patio, you don't even have to go out in the snow.

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You don't, no, you're exactly right. Exactly right, yeah, absolutely.

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And I mean, let's also not forget.

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It doesn't have to be our feet, right? It's literally any, we could just take

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our hand as we sit in a chair with our shoes on and touch a stone wall for five

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minutes. That's, that is five minutes of grounding.

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I think, I think they find that, I mean, there could be more research about

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this, but I think there is something about the feet. It makes sense.

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You know, they're, they, the feet are the way they are because the way they

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are and they touch the ground.

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So I feel like you maybe get more, but you know, it is literally just touching your skin to the earth.

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Okay, good. Okay, well, tell us, because this has been a fascinating discussion,

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and I know you're involved in so many different aspects of mental and physical health.

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So how can people connect with you or learn more? Yeah, absolutely.

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I just started a new company and

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website of the same name. So I'd love for people to reach out to me there.

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It's called Digital Addiction Prevention or DAP, D-A-P. And I've created what

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I call the DAP method, which is now using all the tools we talked about,

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plus a lot of others we haven't talked about yet.

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So going to digitaladdictionprevention.com would be great.

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The website is, right now it's like a small shack in a field,

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but it'll be a three-bedroom suburban house soon. And one day it'll be a mansion.

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But at least it's got some information there. And that's a way to get a hold of me.

00:23:47.968 --> 00:23:53.148
Otherwise, people can absolutely find me on LinkedIn and I'm happy to hear from

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anyone anytime so they can reach out to me there as well.

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Excellent. And I'll make sure all of that is in the show notes as well as your

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TED Talk. So everyone can have a listen to that too. Yeah.

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So let's wrap this up. Tell me, what do you think is the one thing that listeners

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really need to remember and take away from this conversation?

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I think we did a good job, obviously, of explaining grounding itself.

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So I think I know that people will take away that.

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What I think I'd like to say in answer to that is a little bit bigger picture here as an answer.

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And it's something I think about a lot. I feel like it's underlying everything we're talking about.

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And that is, I want people to at least consider the idea that the natural world

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is not something to be afraid of.

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I feel like a message that we get a lot in our lives, and most of it is coming

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from something that's being advertised, to be honest.

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But we get the message a lot that the natural world is dangerous.

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Germs, you know, the word germs is something we learned from early on.

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Oh, that's germs are bad. Well, now we know that they're not.

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In fact, if we don't have germs, we die.

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There's, you know, there's good germs. So I guess I want people to,

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and I feel like especially like post-COVID, there's now this feeling that other people are dangerous.

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So I'm a big proponent of the fact that we need each other to survive and we

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need the natural world to survive. And those things are our friends, just like the sun.

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The sun is our friend. And I think when we go forth in life with that attitude.

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Life is definitely easier than seeing fear in everything natural.

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I think it makes sense. We came from this earth.

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It makes sense that this earth is beneficial for us.

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I love that the earth is beneficial

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for us I love it love it love it love it yes okay well that was a perfect way

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to wrap up thank you and all my hiking listener friends are going to be saying

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yep I knew it I knew it that's why I go hiking so Jason thank you so much for

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joining me I really enjoyed this,

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Thank you so much, Cheryl. I just really feel like if I can improve anything

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about my body or my mindset by walking around barefoot in the grass or on the sand, count me in.

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Why not? It doesn't have to take a lot of time, and it can just feel amazing.

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Try it. I recognize it's February right now, and that's why we talked about

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some of the other grounding options that are out there on the market.

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So find me on social media and let me know if you've tried any of them.

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I would love to chat with you about that. I'm at Cheryl P. Fisher on most social media.

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And if you don't yet have the Story Cycle free resource about how our thoughts

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Love that and absolutely why I'm here.

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Thanks for your hard work putting together these episodes for us.

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